Re: Do you belive in God?
Qu 1
it wasent a monkey, it was a extinct ape, the race split off into two, humans... and the apes we know now.
Qu 2
Evoulotion take thousands of years
Qu 3
VIRUSES!!! THEY EVOLVE!!!
haha yes!!
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Qu 1
it wasent a monkey, it was a extinct ape, the race split off into two, humans... and the apes we know now.
Qu 2
Evoulotion take thousands of years
Qu 3
VIRUSES!!! THEY EVOLVE!!!
haha yes!!
well riddler i dont have to answer that question because i plead the fifth
*does typewriter dance*
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lol ha, ohh yeah, booyah, prince? hovoth? comeon
come on what did they do to you. god i hate snow so bad. so have anyother questions for Hovoth
you wanna ask me?
i was just asking you if you had any questions
No do you have any questions for me?
like what
about why does god not exist, if there is anything you dont understand
Alright, I don't hover around the O-R forums, so you'll have to just wait until I get on. Now then, you brought something to the table, I see. First, the dinosaurs thing - we never denied the existance of them. In the Bible, Dinosaurs, I believe, existed during Noah's time. They were an abomination in God's Sight, however, so he wiped them out with the flood.
In evolution terms, Dinosaurs what... got wiped out by a rock? Or something like that? Wow, how logical. If it wiped out the Dinosaurs, how did the evolution-monkey-glob things survive? Hmmm?
Now then, to those statements you searched through Google:
If we had scientific proof of God's existence, we would talk about the "science of God" rather than "faith in God".
The science of God is negative to itself, for the Science of God is something the human mind cannot comprehend. The science of God's creations would be a more accurate approach to it. You can't explain God, you can explain is attributes however. Like how He is a loving God. "Faith in God" is the required act a man must make with God. Athiests confuse the two, therefore I just disregard this ignorant statement.
If we had scientific proof of God's existence, all religious people would be aligning on the God that had been scientifically proven to exist. Instead there are thousands of gods and religions.
The scientific proof of God, as I said pages back, is revealed through all of creation. God does not tempt others, to prove that he exists by creating amazing wonders for everyone to see because everybody would be believing God based on sight, not by Faith. So is there really a true test of Faith? No. This is revealed clearly in the Bible, and is a true statement.
God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth.
How can there be a design if there is no designer?
None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either. (see this page)
Jesus died for the remission of sins, so that believers can enter into eternal life. His greatest miracle is dying for the sins of Mankind. He came so that he could teach his disciples (those that follow him) the right things to do. This is why God wants to make his followers as Jesus lived - perfect and blameless. Jesus is God, God provides miracles every day.
God has never spoken to modern man, for example by taking over all the television stations and broadcasting a rational message to everyone.
This is something the Bible makes clear, and I think I made this clear in an above question, but anyway: Faith is essential for a man to follow God, for God looks for it in a man because what greater loyalty is a follower who follows you by what you reveal to them? This is how God sees how much loyal a man is.
The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God.
How is it obviously the work of primitive *apes*? HA! Again, please explain the true revelations that have come to past, the true proverbs, and the miracles that happen for Preachers and Missionaries? If you want proof, look towards the end to this post. This is just man's rubbish to disregard the bible as a true Word from God.
When we analyze prayer with statistics, we find no evidence that God is "answering prayers."
What is this? No - seriously - what is this? Prayer with statistics? This is laughable and sad for whomever wrote this. It is revealed in God's Word that when a man comes to God (through prayer) with a honest and humble heart - God hears that man. It also says, God resists the proud, so what are these statistics? Who are these people in the statistics - and do they truely believe in God? You don't analyze prayer --- this is just sad.
Huge, amazing atrocities like the Holocaust and AIDS occur without any response from God.
Let's see, why do you think they occur? They are curses. AIDS are curses, why do you think they are present? The Holocaust was because of wicked men. You saw that God allowed Hitler to rise but for so high, right? Besides, there's a person named Satan you must not have heard about. For the Devil works in those filled with Sin. God allows these things for a reason. I know you must hate me for saying this - but 9/11 was also a wake up call for all of America.
Now consider this: Why don't the ministers and deacons of the church gather together every Sunday morning and pray to Jesus for the money they need? Why doesn't Jesus answer their prayers? Why do churches have to beg for money from mere mortals when there is an immortal, all-powerful God who should provide anything they ask for? Here is what "God" is saying: Pray to me for anything and I will hear and answer your prayers. I say it in dozens of places in the Bible, but I like the way I say it in Mark 11:24 the best: "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." Anything you need -- money, love, happiness, you name it -- I am here to provide it for you. Now, there is just one thing I need in return. I need your money. I need lots of your money. The Bible specifies that you tithe ten percent of your income to me, but think of that as a starting point. Feel free to give more! Because even though I created the universe and everything in it, and even though I will give you everything you ask for in prayer, I can't give a cent to any church, ever. When they pass the offering plate at church, be sure to give generously!
This, of course, is ridiculous.
The reason why they pass the offering plate at church is because God is imaginary.
Heh, this is why some Christians fall. Alright, lemme give you something now. God says he will give you what you need, and will provide your needs with one cost. You give yourself to him, all you do - you must be "A salt on this earth" a light, serving the Lord. The Churches you're talking are Catholic churches, right? Those churches that serve God by show and mouth, and not by faith? Why do you think God will not answer them? They are proud! I'm sorry - but it's the truth. They are proud churches - doing things for show. Remember a verse says "For God resisteth the Proud, but giveth grace to the humble"? And they force people to give - they are filled with greed! They do it all for money! This goes against God! This is foolish to think God does not exist! Also, don't pose as God.
Here is one very simple example. On the day Moses comes down from Mount Sinai with the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, he discovers that the Israelites have created a golden calf. To punish the people, Moses gathers a group of men and takes the following action in the book of Exodus, Chapter 32:
Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
So... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next minute we have God telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands. Wouldn't you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? 3,000 dead people is a lot of commandment breaking. Obviously that is a total contradiction. The reason why you find contradictions like that in the Bible is because God is imaginary.
Hold on, gotta rewind to God's statement of "Thou shalt not kill." Before you jump to conclusions - "kill" is translated as "Murder". I'm sure you know what murder is, now don't you?
Here are some commentaries that detail the slaying:
Slay every man his brother-That is, Slay all those that you know to have been active for the making and worshipping of the golden calf, though they were your nearest relations or dearest friends. Yet it should seem they were to slay those only whom they found abroad in the street of the camp; for it might be hoped that those who were retired into their tents were ashamed of what they had done.
God's wrath rose around those that opposed His Word. Love is not God, God has a justly wrath. God told them of what would become of those who opposed the Truth. Those that came after them from the Red Sea were killed for the opposition against God, and God saved them. They rebelled against God, and did evil things. God told them the price of sin. (And that is Death)
Alright, any questions?
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Now then, here are the two men. One being Smith Wigglesworth - he was a very good man. Here's his wikipedia details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Wigglesworth
Also, here is a TRUE story about the man that preaches in Africa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Like_Potatoes
^ That is a good DVD btw, Prince - you should check it out some time. But about him, he preaches in Africa today. One day, on one of his encouragement speeches, he healed a man with a lame leg. After the man was healed, he danced across the ground thanking the lord. There were at least 100 people who witnessed it. In his interview he said "I wasn't truely getting to these people... so I saw a man below the stage to the side on crutches. I prayed to the Lord, and came down and prayed to God for this man to be healed, and there he was. Healed." It showed footage too.
i know this guy at my church he was 13 and he healed a women she had her foot twisted around and he felt the bones shift
you type to much
havoth
Hey hovoth why do you know a lot about god and that stuff
i know this guy at my church he was 13 and he healed a women she had her foot twisted around and he felt the bones shift
Amen!
you type to much
Sorry? lol, I just want to defend the truth that God does exists. It's just man is too ignorant to see it. "Oh look what Man has done! He built that building! Oh look, Man raised x ammount of money! Oh look, Man has the cure for blablabla..." I'm getting sick of man getting the attention, and God is not. Man is so proud of himself, he decides to place God out of his life.
Hey hovoth why do you know a lot about god and that stuff
Being Smart, I'm smart!! Bwahahaha!
Lol, I'm just kidding! It's just the stuff revealed in His Word. There are many true events taking place now, it's amazing the Bible was written 2,000 years ago!
EDIT: WOW... a link appeared on the top of the page of the site, and it was for an article on if God is Real. Six reasons. Here is the article, it's great... and was it just a coincidence that it just popped up...?
Here it is:
Does God exist? Here are six straight-forward reasons to believe that God is really there.
By Marilyn Adamson
Just once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.
But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.
When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider...
1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
2. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?
Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9
Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10
The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.
3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?
Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?
"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11
Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."12
4. Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.
All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.13
Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.
Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.
5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.
I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."
Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.
6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.
Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."14 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."15
What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.16
Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.
Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."17 This is God, in action.
Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."18
God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.
If you want to begin a relationship with God now, you can.
This is your decision, no coercion here. But if you want to be forgiven by God and come into a relationship with him, you can do so right now by asking him to forgive you and come into your life. Jesus said, "Behold, I stand at the door [of your heart] and knock. He who hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him [or her]."19 If you want to do this, but aren't sure how to put it into words, this may help: "Jesus, thank you for dying for my sins. You know my life and that I need to be forgiven. I ask you to forgive me right now and come into my life. I want to know you in a real way. Come into my life now. Thank you that you wanted a relationship with me. Amen."God views your relationship with him as permanent. Referring to all those who believe in him, Jesus Christ said of us, "I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand."20
So, does God exist? Looking at all these facts, one can conclude that a loving God does exist and can be known in an intimate, personal way. If you need more information about Jesus' claim to divinity, or about God's existence, or if you have similar important questions, please email us.
Last edited by Hovoth (2009-12-17 22:36:06)
hmm well cool
This is something the Bible makes clear, and I think I made this clear in an above question, but anyway: Faith is essential for a man to follow God, for God looks for it in a man because what greater loyalty is a follower who follows you by what you reveal to them? This is how God sees how much loyal a man is.
wait, how can someone be loyal, when hes got nothing to be loyal to?
Let's see, why do you think they occur? They are curses. AIDS are curses, why do you think they are present? The Holocaust was because of wicked men. You saw that God allowed Hitler to rise but for so high, right? Besides, there's a person named Satan you must not have heard about. For the Devil works in those filled with Sin. God allows these things for a reason. I know you must hate me for saying this - but 9/11 was also a wake up call for all of America.
what you talking about? millions of people had died because of those, and it was just to send those 5 or 6 men to hell? hardly thinks so.
It showed footage too.
wait wait, it showed him speaking to god? is it me or...
Its not you its him
wait, how can someone be loyal, when hes got nothing to be loyal to?
He does have something, he has God.
what you talking about? millions of people had died because of those, and it was just to send those 5 or 6 men to hell? hardly thinks so.
Wait - what are you talking about? Yes, millions of people died. (Check out the Wikipedia page for some gruesome facts and pictures) I'm not saying that was God. God allowed it to happen. So who did it? The Devil. If I'm proving that God exists, the Devil exists also.
The Evil? Who said that was God? That was man. Oh, and here is an interesting fact I bet you didn't know: Hitler was basing his onslaught on Evolution rules. "Survival of the Fittest." God cannot tempt a man for evil, so blam the Devil if you wanna blame someone - by all means! And 5 or 6 people did not go to hell - how about the entire Nazi armies? The entire force? (I think that's MORE than 5 or 6) God allows men to rise for so far, because if you remember - Hitler rose but so high until he straight up fell. His forces crumbled, and he ended it with a suicide pill and a gunshot to the temple.
One thing I know though, is the Devil is weak compared to God. I mean, he is the god of this world (The Devil), for that explains the poverty and wickedness that people premote now.
wait wait, it showed him speaking to God? is it me or...
No, wait right there. Don't jump to conclusions, I didn't say that. He came down, and healed the man on-camera. His life in Africa is a true story, you should read it on the Wikipedia page.
Now, Rhyykol, reply against the reasons God exists (The last huge quote), since I replied to your Googled quotes.