Is the Republic worth saving? (Page 1 of 3)

When you say "was Revan right to overthrow the Republic" is this Revan pre or post Sith influence?

(This is probably where my knowledge of lore really lets my understanding down. And that I haven't played for ages.)

Because despite all the corruption and this that and the other, the Republic could still work with enough of an overhaul. Which I think is what Revan intended to do when originally working to unite everyone to stop a potential Sith invasion.
If however you're asking if the Republic isn't worth saving and being replaced with some form of empire (as in what the Sith would do), then yes it is worth saving because I think a flawed Republic is the better option.

The Jedi order (as seen in game) however definitely needs a major reform/overhaul. I truly believe less people would fall to the dark side if they actually accepted the fact that light and dark have to be in balance and the trick is about dealing with life not trying to avoid all negativity.

I also found that the republic and the jedi did not know what they other was doing and if they did know they did not understand the reason. I felt that without the fall of Revan to the Darkside that they republic and jedi would have kept themselves in the dark of what could come and what could really happen to their republic and order. I believe they just to lacks in their duties and had too much pride in themselves thinking that no one could stand in a fight against them nor win over them.

This is the thing, it's been ages since I looked at the lore, and couldn't remember if Revan did fall under their influence when meeting them. So couldn't remember if it was originally preparing to fight, and then falling to their side, or falling but still resisting the Sith Empire. If that makes sense.

Edit: I'm also one of those players who is severely irritated by Bastila. I always hoped for a way for Jolee to get through to her during quests seeing as she tried to lecture him a few times. Shame that never happened. I also maintain if more Jedi were like Jolee then there would be less issues within the order.

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Revan is my favorite character ever. And I felt disappointed about how they made him in TOR. (Well whole of TOR is disappointing).

As far as whole Gray Jedi thing I think that is a flaw in George Lucas whole idea of Jedi and Sith (Good vs Evil). I mean nothing in this world is that black and white.
And yes the lack of middle ground in KOTOR I and II did irritate me somewhat. You couldn't choose to be Gray Jedi, you just had to make both Lightside and Darkside decisions. Actually this is a problem in almost all RPG's. Good and Bad is pretty obvious, and it's always obvious which decisions you must make to make the best ending or the worst etc. The only game that overcame this is The Witcher, where the whole world is gray and there are no good or bad choices.
For Example: (Minor Spoiler for Witcher 3) You come across a man whose child is dying because someone has cursed it. You agree to help the man and you find the perpetrator which turns out to be the man's ex wife who he abandoned to be with another women and sired a child with her. The ex wife in her thirst for vengeance cursed the man son. You ask her to remove the curse and she agrees but only if the man renounces his child and wife and comes back to her. The man obviously refuses this and you have to decide to either let the child die, or direct the curse back at the ex wife.
End of minor spoiler.

So I started thinking about the Dark side of Force as a form of narcotic, in the sense of the more you use it the harder it gets to resist it (and there's the degradation of physical body etc). I don't know if many people would agree with this but that's my favorite theory.

I imagine its very different for DS but Jolee gave a good perspective as a gray jedi. I wish that the DS storyline had been done a little bit differently. Most of the DS options are stupid evil, not really darkside. Revan was to intelligent to only have stupid evil dialogue options.

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A character that I felt brought the game together was HK-47 because he brought the comedy to the game and made talking to others in your party with HK part of that same party more exciting and all around a fun time.

I talked with him about that as well, I'll have to look at my old emails. I believe he helped write everything Revan up to the latest expansion shadow of Revan or whatever. He decided to start his own set of novels and no longer writes for TOR.

Malak... is perfect for the game, but he is a blunt instrument character. Revan was great at strategy and had a very charismatic presence that naturally drew people too him. Malak was a fairly powerful Jedi, but didn't seem to have the foresight to plan a war well and was to egocentric to listen to men like Saul Karath who actually knew what they were doing.

He got impatient looking for Bastila and decided to carpet-bomb a city planet that his own forces occupied. That's not ruthless, that's just stupid. Not stupid writing, just a character without the common sense of a gizka. I believe that he actually lost his jaw when Revan ordered him to take Telos and instead he and Saul just wiped out the planet... and Revan got royally peeved and had to punish him.

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T3 didn't have a lot of personality at all in this game, but he did in KOTOR II. It makes him a somewhat uninteresting character for KOTOR I, but the progression actually makes a lot of sense in lore because KOTOR II addresses that droids regularly have their memory wiped in order to control them. So when T3 was purchased from the droid shop he likely had just been wiped and was kind of a blank slate. Then by KOTOR II he had gone a long time without a wipe (Bao-Dur actually asks him about it) and has developed a lot of odd quirks, which work into his character development in the game. But you're right, outside of the Sith base I normally just gave other team members high skill stats to match his and left him on the Ebon Hawk.

HK was awesome. I recently got to see all of his restored memory scenes (never unlocked them before because I didn't have a high enough repair skill) and they are hilarious. I love how he basically got all of his previous owners killed. And his commentary on situations if you have him in your party is awesome. He as the perfect blend a humorous yet sadistic killer.

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