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Technically no one knows what happened to Revan... yet. He/she disappeared into the Unknown Regions.

Perhaps to reclaim his/her lost title, yes?

Boo yah.  smile Still Sith. Still evil.

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ah but i have a rebuttal you see it states in cannon that Reven turns Light and then after the death of malak he/she ventures out into the unknown region to find the truth so your wrong too HA

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Actually by canon. Revan and Malak encoutered The Sith Emperor sometime during the Mandalorian Wars. And swore allegiance to him. But Revan betrayed him and started building a Sith Empire of his own...

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you know what we are on the same side here : P

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I know that. It doesn't say why Revan really disappeared into the Unknown Regions though. A lot of people believe it was to hunt down the remainder of the True Sith or to battle a looming threat to the galaxy but no one is 100% sure. Yet... like I said.

Revan could have fallen prey to the darkside once more. I mean afterall let's look at history. He/She didn't do a very good job resisting the first time. Who's to say they couldn't fall again? Especially with the great darkness which lurks in the Unknown Regions.

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We are? tongue

But he didn't... Even when he was a darl lord that was attacking the republic. He wasn't attacking their industrial centers, major trade routes etc... He wanted the republic strong... Why would a Sith, want that?

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Actually when Revan first turned to the darkside he/she refused to accept it. He/she believed that by turning to "Sith teachings" he/she could become more powerful than he/she could as a Jedi and gain the power needed to stop whatever dark force was looming in the Unknown Regions. That was he/she was doing was actually "for the Republic".

At the beginning perhaps it was. But honorable intentions don't justify the means Revan took and they lead him/her down a far darker path. If you read all the books Revan completely fell to the darkside when he/she first stepped foot on Malachor V. Revan realized he/she had actually fallen to the darkside, had completely embraced the Sith teachings... and so the fall was complete. Revan then became the conqueror of the Republic, not its hero.

If he/she had wanted to help the Republic he/she wouldn't have done the things she did, wouldn't have killed all those people, sacked all those worlds. It doesn't add up. Revan actually had Malak initate a secret program where they trained assassins to turn Jedi or kill them in horrible ways.

Does that sound like he/she was trying to strengthen the Republic? No. In the end he/she wanted to destroy the Republic. And canon agrees with me. smile

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In the year 3,959 BBY, Revan began a campaign to end the "tyranny" of the Jedi Council once and for all.[23] They returned to Korriban, and seized control of the planet, establishing a new Sith academy.[2] The war, while bloody, was orchestrated to topple the Republic while doing little damage to its underlying industrial infrastructure. Under his leadership, Sith forces bypassed militarily vital planets that would be required for the defense of the galaxy against the threat of the "True Sith." Revan's plan was to keep the Republic largely intact for the purposes of post-war rebuilding. He even took out a number of political figureheads, such as Yusanis of the Echani,[6] Senator Mimas Yoon of Corellia and Lelin-Dor of Serroco. As such, he could begin his rule with a relatively functional military and economy rather than starting from scratch. Also, had he failed in conquering the galaxy, he believed the end result would be much the same: a stronger Republic, more capable of defending itself.

This is from wookieepedie... So, Starr you are wrong smile
And Kreia said almost the same thing in KOTOR II
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No I'm not. I read all the KotOR books and I know what I read.

As such, he could begin his rule with a relatively functional military and economy rather than starting from scratch.

That may be the only real reason Revan didn't completely annihilate the Republic. It's what most conquerors do. Look at Napoleon, Alexander the Great, and the likes.

He believed the end result would be much the same: a stronger Republic, more capable of defending itself.

In the beginning Revan did want to stop the True Sith. Towards the end of the war he kept some of his humanity and wanted to strengthen the Republic should he fail but it's just like the Mandalorians. If he lost he would have come back and hit harder.

But Revan didn't intend to lose...

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You're looking at the beginning of Revan's war dear. Look towards the end. He wanted a Sith Empire.

"Revan knew that, with Jedi in the war, this contest would come down to whoever had the most and strongest Jedi. He pioneered new Sith tactics relying on secrecy rather than brute force. His Sith assassins quietly flooded into the Republic to kill and/or abduct Jedi throughout known space. Revan reestablished strongholds and academies upon worlds of ancient power such as Lehon, Dxun, and Korriban. On these particular planets, his most faithful servants broke captured Jedi and converted them to the dark side. Revan also kidnapped some of his own Force-sensitive troops and converted them into Dark Jedi. Utilizing assassin droids—such as HK-47, whom Revan created after the Battle of Malachor V—Revan eliminated threats to the stability of his fledgling Sith Empire."

Turning Jedi to the darkside doesn't sound like he's trying to strengthen the Republic does it? He wanted to bring it to its knees and help it embrace the new Sith Empire it was meant to join. Read the books. They're better than anything wookiepedia can give you.

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You should become a Star Wars historian or something... xD
Anyway... He was wise and smart, unlike most of the Sith. And I respect him. Because he was building an Empire of his own, just so that he could battle the True Sith.
I wonder, what it would have been like. Two Sith Empires at war...

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Revan is not a True Sith because he had the chance to destroy the jedi and the republic with the help of the Star Forge but turned his back on the Sith to go chase a unknown enemy. So in other words he or she did not have the will power to become a True Sith and land the death blow that everyother True Sith would do in a heart beat.

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And bingo! That was my point. He was not like the other Sith smile

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Then you are right and Revan was more on the lightside then he was on the Darkside.

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And that makes him the most interesting Jedi/Sith in Star Wars Universe

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You should become a Star Wars historian or something...

I used to be an admin on Wookiepedia but I lost interest and deleted my account. I'm an admin on mulitiple Star Wars fan fiction sites though and give advice for stories and whatnot.  smile

Anyway... He was wise and smart, unlike most of the Sith. And I respect him. Because he was building an Empire of his own, just so that he could battle the True Sith.

Yes. He was one of the most magnificent military leaders the galaxy would ever know. But he was still Sith... despite his intentions to save the galaxy. After all, who wants to rule a galaxy if some dark force emerging from the Unknown Regions destroys it all eh?  tongue

Revan is not a True Sith because he had the chance to destroy the jedi and the republic with the help of the Star Forge but turned his back on the Sith to go chase a unknown enemy. So in other words he or she did not have the will power to become a True Sith and land the death blow that everyother True Sith would do in a heart beat.

Ummm... no. Sure Revan wasn't a True Sith but he did intend to completely conquer the Republic and crush the Jedi. And he would have. His plan was cut short by a little betrayal by Malak. Or have you both forgotten that already?

And bingo! That was my point. He was not like the other Sith

Sure Revan wasn't like any of the other previously known Sith but -as I said above -he was still Sith nonetheless.

Then you are right and Revan was more on the lightside then he was on the Darkside.

Yes and yet no at the same time.

And that makes him the most interesting Jedi/Sith in Star Wars Universe

Certainly. Even better than Darth Vader. Though you have to admit Savage Oppress is much more awesome looking.  wink

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Revan had more going for him because he lived in a time where there were many on both sides of the force but Vader lived in a time where the Sith hide until the time was right because of the rule of two.

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Revan was special.
As for Vader, I liked him more when he was Anakin. He was a strange type of Jedi. And he wouldn't have fallen to the darkside if it wasn't for Chancellors intervention...

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Savage Oppress has got to be one of my favorite Sith of all time. He's freaking sweet looking and he owns ass like no one ever before. Just wondering where the Star Wars people will take his story...

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God for him. Ask him to give you a signature when you see him big_smile

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