Desire And Force (Page 2 of 4)

And where was the center of curoption? The Vatikan. The Pope, who was supposed to be the holiest man alive.

I agree with that.

Parts of the church of the middle ages became very corrupted, and surpressed many areas of thought. but this was due to men, not the teachings of Christianity. This is part of the reasoning behind the Reformation era. Only elements of the church was involved in "persecuting" scientists, not the religion as a whole.

But many men of the Judeo-Christian religion led the way in scientific research and discovery. some of the names may surprise you, since modern education sometimes "forgets" the faith of these men. Some weren't Christians, but believed in a creator God as described by Genesis. Others were deeply committed Christians. Here is a brief list of some historic scientists between the 1500s and the 1800s who were scientists and also believed in God and creation :

Francis Bacon
Galileo Galilei
Johann Kepler
Blaise Pascal
Robert Boyle
John Ray
Sir Isaac Newton
Cotton Mather
John Woodward
Jedidiah Morse
Samuel Morse
Michael Faraday
James Joule
Louis Pasteur
George Washington Carver

I Am Jedi

Wow. haha, that's something that I don't know if I could fully explain in a single post. Whole books have been written on that aspect of Christian theology. But I'll try my best.

The Christian belief in a Father and Son is a problem for a lot of people, particularly those of the Jewish faith. And in fact, at a baptism people are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So it would seem like there are three gods. But Christians don't believe in three separate gods, we believe in what we call One Triun God (or the Trinity). Basically, we believe that God is a Spirit and exists in three persons, but they are all co-equal and eternal, and are One God. Not three gods, or one god who has three roles. God is three persons; each person is fully God, and there is one God. Confusing, and almost contradictory I know, but it is supported by scripture, and it is possible because God is Spirit and not human or created flesh.

It's a difficult thing to understand, because we have no similar existence here on earth to compare it to. Sometimes people have used different analogies to illustrate it, such as an egg has three parts (yolk, white, and shell) but is one egg, or water can exist in three forms (gas, liquid, and solid) but it is always H20. But these all fall short in fully explaining the Trinity. We don't really have a reference point for such an existence on earth. But the Bible supports this idea in several places, the most explicit is in John 10:30 where Jesus says "I and the Father are One".

John 1:1-2 says "In the beginning was the Word (or, Jesus) and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." Jesus was both with God and He was God at the same time.

Also, in Genesis 1 verse 26 God said "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness", then in verse 27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female, He created them." The first verse makes it sound like there is more than one God, yet the next verse is singular. We take this to mean that there are three persons of God who are equally God and yet are One God.

I hope that helped. I kinda feel underqualified to explain it, there are men who would do a much better job. but that's what I've found from my research and what I believe is true. B)

I Am Jedi

you're welcome. and if it helps, there are concepts in Christianity that I'm still trying to wrap my head around too. I don't know if I'll ever have the final answer on everything, because God is so infinitely greater than me there are a lot of things about him I won't understand. But I've asked questions about Christianity myself, and when others ask questions of me I really enjoy trying to answer them (instead of "screaming") B)

I Am Jedi

Yes, well I was thinking about either Norse, or Greek, and decided that I like Norse better.
I fully support your polytheistic religion.

And I too. Also, I'm hoping to learn to runecast, and get my own set.

He, I found instructions on how to make a runeset. It sais I have to prick myself. Yeah, right, I'm just gonna spit on them.

It sais any bodily fluid, wheter blood, spit, or the other ones. It just sais that blood is best, but others work well.